Porn: What We Don't Talk About

This wasn't supposed to be an episode. It started as a "test interview" and mic check, but it turned into a conversation about something millions of people do but almost no one talks about. We talk about why Scott quit watching porn, how it changed the way he sees the world, and what this has to do with veganism. 

We also get into vegan dating near the end, including some surprisingly specific advice about second-date red flags. This conversation is from our perspective as a straight couple. 

If you've ever felt a quiet discomfort you can't quite name, or wondered why something so common feels so hard to discuss—this one's for you.

This episode is for adults only.

Timestamps:

0:00 - Introduction

1:00 - "You don't watch porn"

4:41 - The decision to quit

7:00 - How it changes you

9:05 - What to say to couples

11:49 - Advice for finding a partner who shares your values

16:46 - Why is this so taboo?

19:19 - Talking to kids about porn

21:24 - Does this belong on a vegan podcast?

23:08 - Building vegan community

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Full Transcript:

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[00:00:00] Krimsey: I bet the porn industry likes that. No one is talking about it. It seems to kind of parallel meat consumption in a lot of ways. Right? Like, we're consuming bodies, that makes companies rich.

This episode wasn't supposed to be about porn. In fact, it wasn't even supposed to be an episode. I was just testing my recording setup with my partner Scott, and we ended up in this intimate, honest conversation about porn relationships and living in alignment with our values.

I hope you find it interesting. And just a quick note, this is not about shaming anyone. Adults make their own choices.

This is just us talking about our experiences. There's also a section about vegan dating. near the end if that interests you.

We're speaking from our experience as a heterosexual couple, so keep that context in mind,

and just to be clear, this episode is definitely meant for adults only. [00:01:00]

[00:01:00] Krimsey: You don't watch porn.

[00:01:03] Scott: That's right.

[00:01:05] Krimsey: Do you think people believe you when you say that?

[00:01:08] Scott: I don't really talk to people about it.

[00:01:11] Krimsey: Yeah. I guess porn is an interesting one because America is the number one consumer of pornography in the world, and more porn is streamed than all of the major streaming services combined. Something like that. Yeah. It's just some crazy statistic, but no one is talking about it. Yeah. Like out in the real world, pretty much no one is talking about it. There's some podcasts that do it. Maybe friends talk amongst themselves, but we kind of just pretend that this isn't happening.

Yeah.

[00:01:39] Scott: it's kind like pooping, times 10.

[00:01:41] Krimsey: Yeah.

How long have you been off porn?

[00:01:46] Scott: That's a, I don't know.

It's many years. It's been long enough. You've forgotten, huh? Many. Yeah.

[00:01:50] Krimsey: Let's say at least five years.

[00:01:51] Scott: Yeah.

[00:01:52] Krimsey: What's that like being off porn in a world where everyone watches porn?

[00:01:58] Scott: Well, like you said, people don't [00:02:00] talk about it, so most of the time it doesn't cross my mind.

[00:02:03] Krimsey: I bet the porn industry likes that. No one is talking about it. It seems to kind of parallel meat consumption in a lot of ways. Right? Like, we're consuming bodies, that makes companies rich.

[00:02:16] Scott: Yeah.

[00:02:17] Krimsey: How has not watching porn changed you?

[00:02:22] Scott: I think minimally it's that's just not a thing that I have to spend time or energy on.

One.

[00:02:29] Krimsey: What do you mean

[00:02:29] Scott: two?

[00:02:30] Krimsey: You mean the literal time it takes to consume porn? Yeah.

[00:02:33] Scott: The, yeah, exactly. Also I think that porn without you knowing changes the way especially as a man or as a boy, changes the way you look at girls and women I'm not just speaking from my experience.

You can go and read and listen to other people talk about this. I don't wanna be looking out into the world when I walk around [00:03:00] every day thinking it's like a screen that I'm watching.

But did you

[00:03:04] Krimsey: once feel that way?

[00:03:06] Scott: Now that I look back, I think that interesting to some extent that that is true. And this is just like the most juiced up kind of screen on steroids.

'cause you're so locked in. It's triggering, something in your brain.

[00:03:18] Krimsey: I've also read studies that show how when you're aroused, you are much more likely to be influenced by anything anyone shows you, it tells you. So yeah.

If you're watching pornography and there's a pizza in it, in your brain, you start to associate pizza with sex or boobs Right. Or whatever. And it can come down to actual brands being in pornography, being desirable, or trends like lip fillers.

[00:03:48] Scott: Well, you don't even have to watch porn to see that.

Family friendly advertising is already doing that.

[00:03:53] Krimsey: You mean sexualizing? Yeah.

[00:03:55] Scott: As much as they can. That obviously works and so they do it.

[00:03:59] Krimsey: So [00:04:00] putting products into a porn video is a sexy billboard on steroids?

[00:04:06] Scott: Yeah. I don't know how much that's happening 'cause I haven't been in that game for a while.

Yeah.

[00:04:13] Krimsey: Are you curious about the landscape of porn these days?

[00:04:15] Scott: Not really because I just don't think I want to know. I just don't want to go there. To me it's a drug and like any drug, if you. Believe that it can be addictive or it can influence you in ways you don't want.

You have to have some kind of mindset about it. My mindset is I just don't want any part of that. I'm, just taking a, sobriety approach to it.

[00:04:41] Krimsey: Did it take you some time to get to this place, or did you instantly feel like, oh, I'm much better without it?

[00:04:47] Scott: It took some time, for sure.

[00:04:49] Krimsey: How much time?

[00:04:51] Scott: Definitely months to years. At this point it's been so long that I don't quite remember. I don't know if it was one year or two years, [00:05:00] something like that.

[00:05:01] Krimsey: Do you remember the thing or thought or moment where you said, I think I'm gonna stop watching porn?

[00:05:09] Scott: No, I don't think it was like that. I think it was a long process of dealing with, conflicting, I don't know. Just dealing with accepting what the right choice is here.

[00:05:22] Krimsey: Choosing to stop doing something that you find addictive, which I'm with you, I think porn's addictive. Yeah. It's not classified that way at the moment, but I think we will eventually.

[00:05:33] Scott: Right.

[00:05:34] Krimsey: So when you first decided to stop, do you remember it being difficult and what pushed you to keep on staying sober?

[00:05:43] Scott: In the beginning stages it was largely about our relationship. Like we both felt like it was an important choice for ourselves at least that's how I felt.

In the same way that if we were both drunk all the time, that would be a thing that would be in our lives. And it's a [00:06:00] question of, for us, is that what we want? Right. And we didn't want that.

And initially, the voice in my head was like, let's just try this. And see what happens.

.. If someone were thinking about cutting porn out of their life, is there some minimum amount of time you would recommend before you can really understand what's happening?

For example, when I first got off alcohol, I was like, I'm gonna do 30 days.

Yeah. And I'm

[00:06:33] Krimsey: glad I did 30 days because that's about how long it took for me to get my bearings.

[00:06:38] Scott: Yeah. I don't really know what the right advice is. It probably depends on the person, but for me, it took a while. Yeah. Alcohol has a lot of like, very noticeable effects on your physical health and how you feel. Maybe it only takes 30 days to start noticing that with porn. It is not as obvious, I think, because there's just [00:07:00] like a lot of denial that is happening subconsciously, I think.

[00:07:05] Krimsey: Yeah. It's so fun and exciting. Why would you wanna stop doing it? .

[00:07:08] Scott: And what's the big deal? My therapist

[00:07:10] Krimsey: says it's not addictive.

[00:07:11] Scott: Yeah.

[00:07:12] Krimsey: It's also painted as empowering for women, when you used to watch porn, did you think that the women in it were looking empowered?

[00:07:21] Scott: I don't think I ever thought about that. I think that's a good general point about this, like. You're not thinking about that. Men and boys are not really challenged to think about women as people as much as I think we should be.

And porn definitely gets in the way of that. I think by giving it up and thinking about and reflecting on that, you start to, at least for me, you notice a ton in the world. maybe that's one thing that happened, a year or whatever later is like just starting to notice.

Like if I have flashes of how I [00:08:00] used to view women or little memories or something, I'm like, holy crap, I was missing out on some interaction 'cause I was distracted by some kind of thing that. Pulled my brain into like, I'm watching a screen mode.

[00:08:15] Krimsey: What do you mean by that?

Like, how someone is dressed maybe?

[00:08:17] Scott: Yeah. It could be like something they're wearing or the way they act or just the way they look might remind you of something you saw in a porn video. And then all of a sudden you're watching a screen even though you're in the real world, like your

[00:08:28] Krimsey: brain is tugging you back.

[00:08:30] Scott: Yeah. Or something I think that until you reflect on that and actually make an effort to notice that stuff, you're not gonna notice it. Then you notice it and you're like, holy crap, this was really affecting me. And everyone can make a personal choice about whether that's okay or not.

But for me, over time I started to realize this is not healthy for me. Anything that's not healthy, but that you like. You're gonna make excuses for why you should [00:09:00] do it or why it's okay. And maybe it is okay to some extent. I don't know.

[00:09:05] Krimsey: What do you say to couples? I think this is very common, at least in my anecdotal experience.

It's often the woman in the relationship who's uncomfortable with porn.

Yeah.

And the man in the relationship says, it's fine. It's not cheating. It's different. Right. You should watch it too. And a lot of times the woman will go ahead and be like, okay, whatever. Yeah. And they go with it, but they're always uncomfortable.

What would you say to that couple ?

[00:09:38] Scott: I think I would rather talk one-on-one with the man.

[00:09:40] Krimsey: Why is that?

[00:09:41] Scott: Because I think we can relate better. I don't know how to put anything on the woman in the relationship. 'cause I don't have that experience. But for the man, if he was saying like, it's not cheating or something, I think I would just poke at that a little bit.

I don't even think that that's the important point. Like, I think, is it

[00:09:58] Krimsey: cheating?

[00:09:58] Scott: Yeah. I guess I [00:10:00] think that cheating is. It's just like we can draw that line wherever we want. Right. And that's not an interesting question.

I think the more interesting question is, is this good for your relationship?

[00:10:09] Krimsey: Is there one thing that you would say to a man if he came to you for advice and he said, my partner doesn't like when I watch porn, but I don't see it as a big deal?

[00:10:20] Scott: The first thing that comes to mind is just like you already said it, your partner doesn't like it.

What are you gonna do about that? A long-term relationship or marriage or something. There's a lot of this stuff. You have to deal with the fact that your partner doesn't like everything, that you like . And I think the first thing is to understand why doesn't she like it?

What do you think it is doing to her? Do you care about that? And every time your brain comes up with some reason why it's okay, are you sure that that's really a conscious thought [00:11:00] or is that the same kind of. A thing that's playing out when you're convincing yourself that it's okay to watch the next episode of, some show when you have to get up early the next morning and you're like, I'll just watch one more.

Our brains are just great at selling out our future selves

[00:11:19] Krimsey: Do you think that you would have come to the conclusion you came to about porn sobriety on your own as a single man? Or do you think you had to be in relationship to come to this point?

[00:11:32] Scott: I definitely had to be in a relationship.

[00:11:35] Krimsey: I think there's a lot of women out there that hope for a partner. Who shares your perspective on this, who thinks that watching porn is not great for themselves, for the relationship, perhaps even the world.

[00:11:48] Scott: Yeah.

[00:11:49] Krimsey: But it's really hard to find a guy that doesn't watch porn. What advice would you give to a woman out there who is struggling and looking for a partner

who doesn't [00:12:00] make excuses about porn?

[00:12:02] Scott: I guess the best you can do is find someone who you think is open-minded and thoughtful about the world, and hopefully that translates, I mean, even for, for me. I just thinking about my own experience, it was, that wasn't an easy thing.

Going vegan for me happened quicker than giving up porn. It was significantly easier to give up meat that was just like a more obvious thing to me. Um, so Well, women

[00:12:31] Krimsey: already have a hard time finding vegan men Yeah.

That they're interested in.

[00:12:35] Scott: Yeah.

[00:12:36] Krimsey: Because there just aren't that many

[00:12:38] Scott: Yeah.

If you're looking for a man who's vegan, and you're like, there's just not many vegans.

Well then I guess like maybe the next best thing is someone who you think, is interested in making changes to their life to have a more positive impact on the world.

[00:12:53] Krimsey: And how long do you wait?

[00:12:56] Scott: Yeah, I don't know.

[00:12:58] Krimsey: I think with us you were [00:13:00] vegan within three, four months or so. Does that sound right?

Not more than six months.

[00:13:05] Scott: Not long. Yeah.

[00:13:05] Krimsey: So, should someone give the person they're dating a year or two years?

[00:13:12] Scott: I think if it's important to you, and I think for most vegans, it is very important .

I don't think it, I don't know, a year sounds two years. That sounds too long. That sounds like, it's not really gonna happen at that point, I think. Or if it happens, it's just gonna be kind of like a resentful happening, I think you can probably find out pretty quickly how someone responds to your thought process.

Yeah. What early

[00:13:34] Krimsey: signals would you say to watch out for to figure out if someone is gonna be growth oriented and willing to consider changing their behavior?

[00:13:45] Scott: When I first met you, I knew you were vegan or I learned that you were vegan and our first date was at like a bar, so there wasn't any food.

And then, or for our second date, we were gonna get food. And I it was obvious to me, I don't think I asked [00:14:00] you, I think it was like the cool thing to do here. How do I impress this girl? I should go find a vegan restaurant. That seems like so obvious to me. And when I hear, was it Shogen?

Yeah,

[00:14:12] Krimsey: yeah,

[00:14:12] Scott: Because that was the number one rated vegan restaurant in LA on Yelp. Okay, well we'll go there.

[00:14:17] Krimsey: It was really fun and I had never been there.

[00:14:19] Scott: Yeah. It

[00:14:20] Krimsey: was a new experience for me too.

[00:14:21] Scott: Yeah. And I was like, oh, this food is good. And then I asked questions probably. I don't think I left the restaurant being like, Hmm, maybe I should be vegan. Yeah. But you're

[00:14:30] Krimsey: saying first signal to someone who's dating an omnivorous person. Would you say, if they eat meat in front of you, even though they know that you're vegan, that that's a red flag.

Would you go that far?

[00:14:40] Scott: To me, that seems so dumb. Like what a dumb choice. I hate to be so judgmental, but like, that's the thought that comes through my mind.

[00:14:49] Krimsey: If it's your second date and they're eating meat in front of you at a restaurant and they know that you're vegan, would you walk away?

[00:14:57] Scott: Yeah, probably.

[00:14:58] Krimsey: Ooh, that's [00:15:00] interesting.

[00:15:00] Scott: Yeah. ' Did they ask you any questions about being vegan? Dating 1 0 1, the person should be interested in you and.

Uh, they're gonna ask questions and if they ask questions about your veganism, I think a question that should come up is, why are you vegan? And when you answer that, you're gonna say something to the effect of, because I don't want to create violence towards animals and suffering towards animals, or something like that.

And they are either going to hear that or they're not. And I think if they hear that, I can't imagine a smart, thoughtful person hearing that and then being like, okay, I'll have a cheeseburger. What about the

[00:15:39] Krimsey: scenario where whoopsy, they ordered a burger, they didn't really think about it.

You're three quarters of the way through the meal, and they say, so why are you vegan? You go on to explain. And they are embarrassed. And they're sorry, is that then we say, oh, they get it.

[00:15:59] Scott: I don't know. I think [00:16:00] there's a fine line between being embarrassed because you actually realize something about the world and being embarrassed.

'cause you don't wanna do the wrong thing in front of your date. To be fair, it's takes some time to really reflect on this. So

[00:16:17] Krimsey: yeah, it's a big thing to think about. Yeah.

[00:16:18] Scott: I think I wouldn't judge too much this real time reaction. Right. But certainly if that happened and then the second date it happens again, to me that's like,

[00:16:26] Krimsey: or you're saying if after this moment they ordered the burger, they eat it, they ask questions.

If the next time you hang out, they're still eating meat, you'd immediately cut it off.

[00:16:35] Scott: Something like that. Yeah.

[00:16:37] Krimsey: Yeah. Like at least in front of you.

[00:16:39] Scott: Yeah. I think it says. I don't care what you told me last time.

[00:16:45] Krimsey: I didn't mean to go on such a tangent about porn, but it seems like a really interesting topic that no one is talking about that much in this way.

[00:16:55] Scott: Yeah, even talking to you, knowing that people might listen to this, [00:17:00] it feels a little uncomfortable to talk about. It's just embarrassing and I maybe Which part?

[00:17:05] Krimsey: Not watching it?

[00:17:06] Scott: Well, no, actually I would say watching it is embarrassing. Are you

[00:17:09] Krimsey: embarrassed that you ever watched it?

[00:17:11] Scott: To some extent, yeah.

I'm not ashamed because that's was a natural thing, in the current culture and, I don't blame myself right. For doing that, but like,

[00:17:22] Krimsey: does it feel similar to how you feel about how you used to eat meat?

[00:17:26] Scott: Yeah, I guess so

It's similar for sure, but eating meat there's not that underlying taboo, so I can freely talk about that without experiencing that ick factor.

[00:17:43] Krimsey: Yeah. Why do you think talking about porn is so taboo?

[00:17:47] Scott: Sex in general is an adult topic. I mean,

[00:17:51] Krimsey: it feels a bit more layered than just talking about sex though, because people are generally uncomfortable talking about sex. But porn is like this.

[00:17:59] Scott: It's [00:18:00] extra deeper. Yeah.

[00:18:01] Krimsey: Why?

[00:18:02] Scott: Yeah. I don't know.

[00:18:05] Krimsey: Do you think it's tied to masturbation being shameful or do you think it's got its own separate category of porn or at this point are, are they so enmeshed that people don't really separate porn and masturbation?

[00:18:21] Scott: Yeah, they probably don't separate them and I don't know if shameful is the right word, but there's something embarrassing about it.

[00:18:33] Krimsey: When you strip it all away, what do you think is so embarrassing about watching porn?

[00:18:38] Scott: I think in general, our sexuality and what we like and don't like, is another thing that is taboo. And this is an extreme version of that because you can just click on whatever thing you want

[00:18:52] Krimsey: But why is it embarrassing what we like or don't like?

[00:18:56] Scott: When it comes to sexuality, we don't talk about it for a [00:19:00] long time. Because when you're a kid, when you're a teenager, it's bad. So you can't talk about it or you don't understand it. Or there's this weird thing where like some of the kids are a little bit farther along and you don't want to admit that you're not whatever.

[00:19:19] Krimsey: Yeah. How are you gonna talk to our kids about sex and porn? And

[00:19:24] Scott: I have no idea.

[00:19:27] Krimsey: I was hoping that someone would release a really good book or podcast that I could read, uh, yeah. Soon that would have all the answers. But you know what I'm. I'm a little skeptical.

[00:19:37] Scott: Well, maybe you

[00:19:38] Krimsey: could write it. You figure it out and write it.

[00:19:39] Scott: We probably have another, at least six or seven years. I mean, AI age, the average age will probably help here,

[00:19:48] Krimsey: uh, help or hurt. Yeah. Maybe the average age of porn exposure is young. I don't remember if it's nine or 11, but neither is acceptable.

[00:19:57] Scott: Yeah. I think chatbots [00:20:00] are and will be very good at understanding your perspective and then finding the right information and resources, I think for

[00:20:06] Krimsey: adults.

[00:20:07] Scott: Yeah. I think those do exist even today. There are people writing and thinking about it. They're just not very. Popular, but the chatbot will find it.

[00:20:18] Krimsey: You know, it is popular. Chatbots being kinky.

[00:20:22] Scott: Yeah.

[00:20:23] Krimsey: I am a little worried that porn is so ingrained in our culture.

It almost is the culture, right? It's like the backbone of at least American culture, right, is porn and objectifying women. It's just this deep rooted thing that surfaces in all kind of crazy ways. So my fear is that of course, AI is going to amplify that AI is going to amplify everything that already exists.

[00:20:49] Scott: If we think about what did the internet do? The internet also did that,

[00:20:53] Krimsey: right?

[00:20:54] Scott: If you care about this as a parent, there's probably something you can do for your own kids. [00:21:00] And then at a certain age you're gonna lose control. And so you have to enable them to think for themselves in some way. And also accept that they're gonna make choices that aren't the best choices, because they're kids and they're gonna be like, that's gonna be the case into their twenties.

And

[00:21:20] Krimsey: we have to talk to our kids about all drugs. Including pornography.

[00:21:23] Scott: Yeah.

[00:21:24] Krimsey: Well, that took some turns. Looking back at our conversation today, it has mostly been about non-vegan stuff. Does this still feel like a vegan space?

[00:21:36] Scott: Yeah, totally. It does because, I think one thing that vegans have in common is we want to think about our impact on the world and on , other beings.

And, most vegans were not vegan before. And made a choice to be vegan and so I think we're generally open to thinking about other ways that maybe we can reduce [00:22:00] violence towards other people. And I think that, giving up porn might be a way to do that for a lot of people.

It's a bit of a stretch to explain, whereas I think, , veganism is not, but anyway, so yeah. To your point, wait, what do you

[00:22:12] Krimsey: mean by that? It's a bit of a stretch.

[00:22:14] Scott: I just mean it's like harder to explain both because it's like a little bit embarrassing to talk about. Very nuanced and it's nuanced.

Whereas, as vegans, we probably all feel like explaining why we're vegan is fairly straightforward.

[00:22:27] Krimsey: Mm-hmm.

So do you feel like a conversation like we had today about porn would generally. Be better received by a vegan audience than a general audience. Yeah. Is veganism the gateway drug?

[00:22:44] Scott: It is, yeah. I guess so. I think vegans are just more open to this idea that we do things because they're normal and don't think about how they impact other beings, and that's nothing to be ashamed of. [00:23:00] I think vegans want to be curious about this stuff in general and are willing to think about it. And so, maybe they would want to listen to something like this.

[00:23:08] Krimsey: Thanks for being my first guest.

[00:23:11] Scott: My pleasure.

[00:23:12] Krimsey: I love you.

[00:23:13] Scott: I love you. I,

[00:23:14] Krimsey: anything else you think we should add in?

[00:23:16] Scott: I'm just really proud of you for doing this, and I think it's a much needed thing.

I think vegans need more community. I think even vegans who live in very vegan friendly places like LA or Boulder, don't have a lot of vegan community. I think when we lived in LA we had a little bit, but not a lot. And then online in digital spaces, they suck. I mean the, like what do you mean they suck?

Well, most of them are like social media, which have come with a lot of, baggage. And I don't want to be hanging out in a Facebook group following a bunch of people on Twitter or Instagram. [00:24:00] That doesn't do it for me.

Listening to podcasts and listening to people talk and give full formed thoughtful answers and having real discussions, to me that's real. In some sense. You're still separated you're listening to it over the internet, but I think that's a start. And your vision of building a community and having real life experiences to bridge from your podcast to the real world.

I think that could be really important. And that could inspire people to then go back to where they live and do more things. In real life with other vegans. Yeah, I think we need that.

[00:24:39] Krimsey: Because the community is small we do have to kind of piecemeal together our full communities.

Maybe it's, a little bit through podcasting, a little bit through social media, a little bit in person. But I think you're right. We just have to start doing something,

[00:24:54] Scott: start doing something.

[00:24:55] Krimsey: And I do hope that this leads one day to some cool stuff. I've always dreamed of [00:25:00] hosting a vegan adult summer camp.

[00:25:02] Scott: Yes.

[00:25:03] Krimsey: Or maybe like a family thing. I have, a lot of silly ideas that I hope I get to do one day, but that reminds me, I do wanna share vegan events here that are coming up. And I'm really excited about this one that Jess, who founded Vegan Street Fair, she's pivoting a bit and she's now hosting Vegan Creator Con.

And you can go as a creator or a fan. And I just registered, it's in June of next year in Los Angeles. I don't know much about it other than that. I just know that Jess puts together some really amazing events. Yeah. And I know that this one will be the same. And I'm excited to hang out with other vegans, especially other vegan creators.

[00:25:45] Scott: Yeah, that sounds really cool.

[00:25:47] Krimsey: Are you gonna go,

[00:25:49] Scott: I'll be watching the kids.

[00:25:50] Krimsey: Yeah. You gotta stay home. Sorry babe.

[00:25:52] Scott: I'm excited for you that makes me wonder what else could happen. I think we're still in the very early [00:26:00] stages of this movement, and

[00:26:02] Krimsey: one day the whole world would be vegan.

[00:26:04] Scott: I think we, humans, if we survive the next a hundred years, we will look at meat and animal agriculture very differently than today. And our

[00:26:19] Krimsey: descendants will be proud of us.

[00:26:20] Scott: Something like that. Yeah. I hope so.

[00:26:23] Krimsey: Alright. Do you want anyone to be able to find you or do you wanna just say goodbye?

[00:26:28] Scott: Yeah, feel free to say hi to me if you see me in the real world, but no one knows

[00:26:33] Krimsey: what you look like.

[00:26:34] Scott: That's fine. Yeah, no, I don't really want people to find, maybe they'll

[00:26:37] Krimsey: recognize your voice. All right, well, well then I'm not gonna share your LinkedIn.

[00:26:41] Scott: Yeah, sounds good to me.

[00:26:43] Krimsey: Alright,

[00:26:44] Scott: bye-Bye. Good

[00:26:44] Krimsey: talking to you.

[00:26:45] Scott: Good talking to you.

[00:26:46] Krimsey: See you at home.

[00:26:47] Scott: See you at home.

Thanks for listening. I know this was a different kind of conversation, especially for a vegan podcast, and I appreciate you being here for it. If this got you thinking or if you have your [00:27:00] own experience with porn sobriety or dating as a vegan, I would genuinely love to hear from you. My email is in the show notes and I actually read every message.

I'm still figuring out what's next. So if there's something you want to hear or someone you want to hear from. Let me know.

Take care. My online vegan friends.